Curse

Lemmy · Aug 25, 2005, 10:03 AM // 10:03

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Originally Posted by BrokenSymmetry

Is Europe leaving? Let me count the number of districts right now, at 2.30 AM on a weekday night:
Ascalon City (pre-searing): 22 districts
Ascalon City (post-searing): 29 districts
Lion's Arch: 17 districts
Seems pretty healthy to me, especially considering the time of day...

and 1-2 half-empty districts at tombs

Rulke · Aug 25, 2005, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher X

STOP BEING DUMB AND EARN FAVOUR FOR EUROPE IF YOUR EUROPEAN.

Rant 2 over :P

Yeah, that helps us out.
Maybe you'd like to come and teach us how to PvP effectively, as I don't know anyone on our servers who can, and being killed by Korea/America in the tombs isn't doing much to teach me tactics. My guild has 3 people on at any one time, so we can't even train as a guild in the team arenas, nor can we GvG well, so my only source of faction is random arenas, as I can't win with PUGs in the team arnea.

On a different tack, do you go to the tombs and spend and hour + getting a group that stands a chance together, somehow get to and hold the HoH for 5 or so battles, and then warp to the ToA and start looking for a group there when you want to go to the UW or FoW? Unless you do, don't give out useless advice like this.

Charcoal Ann · Aug 25, 2005, 10:05 AM // 10:05

no its not... i was in hall of heroes last night and it was swamped with european guild groups. three times in a row. i saw no koreans or americans (apart from us)... needless to saw we were mobbed.

Fantus · Aug 25, 2005, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher X

I think the reason why US has so much favour is because numb nuts like you guys (European playing on US server) can't be arsed to fight HoH and just want to farm UW/FoW. Stop being traitors & cowards and fight for you continent!

If you really think that a computer game has something to do with patriotism, you need to seek medical attention. Let me add that I think that such dumb comments and rude name calling like in your post can only come from a 9 year old kid.

Nash · Aug 25, 2005, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Yes, let's all be idiotic nationalists, and let arbitrary labels and stupid systems decide things for us.

Charcoal Ann · Aug 25, 2005, 11:01 AM // 11:01

and besides thats where europe falls down: no two european countries like each other. i'm from Scotland (left because impossible to find a group of english speakers) and i cannot work effectivly with french or germans or italians. they all operate in a totally different way and in a different language. i like the germans and will ally with them in HoH. i don't like french people (just because, anyway no-one likes the french) and will team up against them in HoH. spanish? couldn't care less.

europe is not united and that is its problem. we have spent our entire histoy blowing eachother up. why should we stop now?

aron searle · Aug 25, 2005, 11:03 AM // 11:03

But just think all the wars, all the differences and all of euope brought together in harmony through GW.

Yeah right

Leddy · Aug 25, 2005, 11:26 AM // 11:26

I'm not an European, i'm an asian living in Australia. So, technically, i should join Korea, but i can't read Korean. =/ So america for me.

trelloskilos · Aug 25, 2005, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher X

No way is europe dying! rofl!

Didn't the game get released over the US & Korea first? Surely they would have gained some advantage over the Euro servers?

I find that the Euro servers are packed out! I've never had a shortage of players.

I'm sorry but Europe is gaining Favour more and more now, just the trouble is everyone flocks to ToA when we have favour. Favour is really only lost as no one in Euro fight HoH when we have favour! I think the reason why US has so much favour is because numb nuts like you guys (European playing on US server) can't be arsed to fight HoH and just want to farm UW/FoW. Stop being traitors & cowards and fight for you continent! Rejoin Europe! If you have enough skill and knowledge of the game then prove it. Our Guild Team team up with other guild's in HoH to bring ownership to the Gods. Euro guilds are welcome to join The Red Moon in combat in HoH, just like Korea & the US do!

THE TIME IS NOW! FOR THE FEAR OF US & KOREAN PLAYERS IS OVER! REJOIN EURO SERVERS AND SHOW THE WORLD WHO RULE! EUROPE FEAR NONE, KOREA & US PREPARE TO BE OWENED!

rant over

Stupidest post I've read this week.

Traitors and cowards? No. More like "Snubbed, dissatisfied and happy to be elsewhere.".

I couldn't give a flying fcuk at a rolling doughnut about what server I'm on as long as it doesn't lag, has a healthy amount of players no matter what time I feel like picking up a PUG, and allows me to experience the game to its fullest. This is the US server to a tee. I also am not overly interested in PvP, but that is just a personal preference. I don't care if you disagree with my opinion, but I don't believe that I should be forced to wait for roughly a week in order to scrabble to get into an area just because an unrelated team on the same server wins or loses a few PvP matches.

Euro-players not fighting the HoH? Well, usually when Europe win favour, it's at 11pm GMT...meaning that most players in Europe will not be awake long enough to hold off any other countries. US has a 5-hour span and more parties to enable them to hold favour. Also, anyone in Europe hoping to get a decent crack at either FoW or UW must also struggle to be accepted in a group, and I got sick of hearing "Experienced people only, no n00bs!" - THAT'S the friendly and co-operative attitude I came to expect from Europe. If you've never played the maps before, your chances of playing are very slim, and even less if you're a Mesmer or Necro. At least in the USA, new players CAN have a crack at FoW & UW and hone their skills and playing techniques for the areas.

Finally, I didn't buy Guild Wars to be drawn into some mindless and pointless xenophobic battleground. At it's best, the WaW system is merely a tournament between 2 parties on different servers. At it's worst, it's an excuse for zealous nationalism and intercontinental griefing that does not belong in any game! You want the proof? Visit ToA on ANY server and see how the general consensus of players react when their country lose favour. I guess it's a good PvP idea, but to base the whole thing on actual real world countries is as retarded as your post.

So wave your flag, toot your "Go Europe" horn, and insult anybody who doesn't share your small-minded "Us-vs.-Them" world view. I'll happily carry on farming UW, making friends worldwide, taking full advantage of my decision to play on whatever server I damn well please, and get on with the game instead of pointing accusatory fingers jealously out of sheer stubbornness and small-mindedness.

Zazoo · Aug 25, 2005, 11:48 AM // 11:48

Hmm interesting conversation...

I have been complaining about the lack of players at certain times etc in other threads in this forum, and here I get presented with a solution.
I like what everyone says about the american servers.

BUT

I played warcraft for several years and had experiance on the us east & european servers. What I found is that even tho it was easier to get a game on the us server, the quality of players was far better on the european servers. There was no comparison.

So what to do?

Mayar third Keeper · Aug 25, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

trelloskilos i can't say this any better you are so right.

Myodato · Aug 25, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

Most of my Guild has moved from Euro to US servers. It started with a few of us who played more regularly than most and had finished the game with 3 characters looking for more content when there weren't enough online for guild PvP. UW and FoW was (and is) the only interesting PvE left to face, and one section of the player base was getting it significantly more than others purely on the basis of location. Ideally, we would have preferred to help Euro win favour, and thus gain better access this way, but not enough were on regularly to do this, and PUGs are all but unbearable once you've experienced an organised group.

Once some of us went, it was only a matter of time before more followed, and we're clearly not the only ones. As more move servers, the balance of favour shifts more, and attracts more players. The simple fact is, there is no reason to choose one over the other than national pride, and those who play the game more regularly, and therefore have greater influence over the winning of favour, are more likely to be concerned about getting their monies worth than who they're fighting for.

I think the situation will only continue to shift towards US as more people get to end game content, and eventually ANet will have to reconsider options.

Alex Weekes · Aug 25, 2005, 11:56 AM // 11:56

Player population on the European servers is actually very healthy. I think what you're actually seeing is that, since release, the player base has gone from being concentrated in the early game maps to being spread out across the entire map. There are more people playing, but fewer in individual districts.

Now, there is something I'm very interested in and that's European access to Worlds at War. I've read a lot of posts by people saying they've switched to America, or stating that they play on Europe but hardly ever get access.

I'm interested in a few things, and would love to see some good quality (by this I mean some actual data supporting your responses would be great, rather than just opinions that "Europe has nobody playing") feedback from the European players out there:

* How many times have you visited the WaW maps (FoW and UW)? How long have you been playing for?

* How often does Europe hold the Favour during your normal play time, and what time is that?

* Do you, or your guild, play in the Tombs in an attempt to win the Favour for Europe? If so, how often?

* IF changes to WaW were made, do you have any suggestions?

burai · Aug 25, 2005, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher X

STOP BEING DUMB AND EARN FAVOUR FOR EUROPE IF YOUR EUROPEAN.

Rant 2 over :P

As has been said many times. Favour is earned by PvP, whilst FoW and UW are PvE environments. Why should I have to play a part of the game I have little interest in, to be able to progress in the part that I am?

Oh! and there's really no need to shout.

elhaym · Aug 25, 2005, 12:09 PM // 12:09

you europeans are just making excuses to just be lazy and ride the american's coat tails. get back on your own server, im sick of getting stuck with frenchies who have no clue whats going on during the time i play when i try to go in fow. the point to having the euro server is so we americans dont have to suffer these language barriers. :P

Hippie Crack · Aug 25, 2005, 12:12 PM // 12:12

I think the only time Europe has a chance to hold favor is when Esotoric Worriors are running tombs.

Maybe NCSoft can give euro teams a few lesson's in PvP.......my win percentage vs euro teams in tombs has got to be over 90%. The only time i've lost to them is on Burial Mounds when 3 of them try to gank us, i've even won a couple of those 24 vs 8 battles :-/

Myodato · Aug 25, 2005, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Whilst I was playing on Euro servers, the biggest problem was that by the time we did when favour (when we did), it was getting late into the night. A good trip into UW can easily last 2-3 hours, and if you don't get in until 11 o'clock at night....

If I could make a change, I would make it so the number of successive wins required to win favour changed dependent on how long you'd been without. Perhaps something like need 1 win less per 12 hours without favour, so if you're gone 24 hours without, you'd only need 3 successive wins to claim.

The numbers would need to be tested and tuned of course. Perhaps increase base required wins to 7, then reduce by 1 every 8 hours (as each of the three regions should in theory hold for 8 hours a day), and set a minimum number of successive wins required as 3. The basic principle is that those who've been without favour the longest have the best chance of winning it.

Edit: Other change I'd like, unrelated to the PvP part, is give us at least one area of similar level content to UW that doesn't require favour. It doesn't have to be as rewarding in terms of loot and xp, but it should give those people who have finished the game something to do apart from PvP or farm Griffons when they don't have favour.

Oracle · Aug 25, 2005, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by elhaym

you europeans are just making excuses to just be lazy and ride the american's coat tails. get back on your own server, im sick of getting stuck with frenchies who have no clue whats going on during the time i play when i try to go in fow. the point to having the euro server is so we americans dont have to suffer these language barriers. :P

Jingoism and xenophobia ftw!

/puke

Traylorre · Aug 25, 2005, 12:22 PM // 12:22

Generalizations are never true all the time --- but are most of the time

Euro Tombs groups are awful... to the extent that we laugh at the skill-combos that they use at times

humans are equal so its just experience -- less players so you get less play so you get left behind

this will get worse over time... forums are great yes but you get lotsa yahoos who know yahoo about squat and spout creative yet dumb ideas (and half the time are very indignant and defensive when criticized)

I empathize with europeans although... to be frank... you can come to International Distrcits AND PLAY WITH ALL SERVERS and HAVE SAME EXPERIENCE

This won't get favor for your country but... it will get you good -- then go back and win favor.

burai · Aug 25, 2005, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by elhaym

you europeans are just making excuses to just be lazy and ride the american's coat tails. get back on your own server, im sick of getting stuck with frenchies who have no clue whats going on during the time i play when i try to go in fow. the point to having the euro server is so we americans dont have to suffer these language barriers. :P

As I have said before - Canadians also speak french.

Presumably you don't mind Brits then? Though come to think of it, we often speak worse english than the French